The below is another discussion begun about Quark in the Graphic Design Resource Group. It was in response to someone expressing surprise at the overwhelming vehemence of Quark-using respondants on my Quark vs. InDesign site. In response to the below I received “My God, Pariah, that was the GREATEST post on Quark vs. InDesign EVER. EXACTLY RIGHT.” While I don’t know about that, I thought I’d reprint it here for the heck of it. The tongue-in-cheek title is because I couldn’t come up with any other.
I’ve been using QuarkXpress since ’89, version 2. My disdain for Quark, Inc. and the application QuarkXPress have nothing to do with my recently former employment with, or feelings for, Adobe. It stems from the way I, as a QuarkXPress user and Quark, Inc. customer, have been treated by Quark, Inc. for more than a decade.
If you read the comments on those posts on my site–or anywhere around the web–you’ll see that my opinions are hardly unique among QuarkXpress users.
I’ve been a QuarkXpress professional (and trainer) for years. Because of the years I’ve used the product for work, paying $400–$900 for new versions only to find that there’s nothing new in them, that users’ requests and changing needs have been ignored ever since QuarkXpress 3.3 (circa ’93), I have a great frustration with using the product. Everyone who uses QuarkXpress, whether she likes it or not, is frustrated by the product’s quirks, counter-intuitive user interface, and lack of support for changing technologies and the changing design business. While every other software publisher, including Apple, Microsoft, and Adobe, has learned from the last twenty years of user interface design, Quark, Inc. has flatly ignored it. QuarkXpress is a pain in the neck to use, and a real hurdle to learn. I know; I teach people to use it.
Moreover, Quark, Inc. has refused to change with the needs of its users. Instead Quark, Inc. tries to dictate stagnation in the creative and press industries.
Have you ever dealt with Quark, Inc.‘s customer service or technical support? They’re notorious as the absolute worst in the computer software/hardware industry. They’ve been that way for years, despite ample opportunity to improve.
Quark, Inc. even shut down its own user forums because they didn’t want potential customers, those on the fence about InDesign and QuarkXpress, reading all the unanswered complaints and bug reports stuffing the forums.
Quark, Inc., steered by its CEO, Fred Ebrahimi, has been a very bad vendor to the creative pro market. Quark, Inc. has been stagnant for years because it didn’t have any competition. Nothing improved, nothing changed (QuarkXpress 4.1, released in ’95, is virtually identical to QuarkXpress 5, released in ’02, and 6, released in ’04) regardless of unprecedented feedback from QuarkXpress users. A decade ago Quark, Inc. turned up its nose at the customers, saying, “QuarkXpress is it, there is no competition. QuarkXpress is used the way it is, so why should we invest in changing it?” If there had been any competition to QuarkXpress, users would have flocked to it in droves, leaving Quark, Inc. to fall on its face.
And that’s exactly what is happening now. Creatives are running from Quark, Inc.‘s arrogance and its disdain for its customers to the only viable competition available.
Yes, QuarkXpress has a large installed user base that hasn’t yet migrated to InDesign. Don’t kid yourself. That fact isn’t because those users prefer QuarkXpress to InDesign or because they feel loyalty to Quark, Inc.. It’s a simple matter of economics: Large shops and workflows are built around QuarkXpress because, for more than ten years, QuarkXpress was the only game in town. Changing those workflows means buying new complimentary software and hardware and retraining personnel. That is an expensive proposition. It’s one even the most frugal production manager knows she will have to eventually pay for, but in these tight economic times, many are trying to keep going as long as possible with what they’ve got.
InDesign is a better program than Quark, Inc., hands down. More importantly, it is a long overdue alternative to QuarkXpress. Finally there is a choice. Even the most recognized Quark, Inc. expert, David Blatner, publically stated that InDesign is years beyond QuarkXpress. Could Quark, Inc. have improved and remained a serious contender? Of course. But instead, Quark, Inc. chose to continue in its arrogance by telling the world customer service and listening to user feedback didn’t matter, all that mattered was that the program worked the same way it had for years. It functioned in exactly the same way it did ten years ago, and no one should want any application that does anything more (or better) than QuarkXpress.
Yes, competition inspires improvement and ultimately benefits users. But, a company has to respond to that inspiration and choose to compete for users to benefit. Quark, Inc. has chosen to ignore the competition and therefore not improve.
Would I like to see competition remain in the layout application market? Yes, whole-heartedly. Quark, Inc. only got as good as it did because it began as an upstart competitor to PageMaker. But I also believe in reaping what you sow. Quark, Inc. has stepped on its users and ignored them for so long because users had no other choice but QuarkXpress, that Quark, Inc. has become a real bad guy in the industry. I want to see Quark, Inc. finally realize the consequences of its actions, just like everyone else. It would be good for the market if Quark, Inc. did so, then learned from its mistakes and managed to stay alive to build a better application.
Quark, Inc.‘s history of arrogance and its delay in recognizing the threat of InDesign, however, make it unlikely that Quark, Inc. can actually wake up and act in time to save itself. This is much like Adobe and the web: Adobe was late developing web-design applications–particularly with regard to vector graphics and animation for the web. Consequently, Adobe’s LiveMotion application and (co-authored) SVG technology were too little too late (I’m still holding out for SVG, though). They didn’t stand a chance against Flash because everyone waited too long, giving Macromedia too great a lead in that market. If Quark, Inc. doesn’t react profoundly very, very soon, it’s going to go the way of LiveMotion.
I don’t advocate the demise of Quark, Inc., I predict it. There’s a major difference there.
Do we really want Adobe being the sole producer of the main graphics programs we use (i.e. Photoshop, Illustator, InDesign)?
Adobe listens to its customers. Even with Photoshop, a product that has more than 90% market share and no serious competition, Adobe constantly improves the product. Photoshop is king of the hill, and Adobe could become complacent about that like Quark, Inc. did. Adobe, however, is smart enough to know that complacency just invites someone to come along and knock the king off the hill.
But this discussion isn’t about Adobe; it’s about Quark, Inc. Adobe won’t kill Quark, Inc.; Quark, Inc. is the architect of its own downfall and, unless a radical change of direction happens soon, its own demise.
Quark, Inc.‘s new CEO, Kamar Aulakh, who took over from Ebrahimi 10 February, 2004, has his work cut out for him. Does Aulakh have the time and sufficient remaining consumer goodwill to spackle all the gushing holes in Quark, Inc.‘s dam? I don’t know. Ebrahimi did a lot of damage to that dam, and he’s still around as Chairman of the Board. What’s more, Aulakh isn’t new to Quark, Inc. He’s been President to Ebrahimi’s CEO for eight years; Aulakh has been there, helping Ebrahimi to lead, through all the bad decisions, all the snubbing, all the arrogance. Only time will tell if Aulakh’s promotion will in any way alter Quark, Inc.‘s spiralling fall toward obscurity.
Incidentally, Freehand held an almost even market share with Illustrator until Macromedia changed its direction and abandoned the print world all together in favor of specializing in online design and production. As people see Freehand’s development slipping, they’re defecting. That is attributable much more to Macromedia than to Adobe. Just as Adobe’s own delay killed LiveMotion. Just as Quark, Inc. dug its own grave; Adobe didn’t dig it for Quark, Inc..
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Hi,
Found this website by accident whilst Googling. Very informative, esp as I just bought the Adobe Creative Suite Premium.
As a long time PageMaker and CorelDraw user, I find Indesign is like an F‑22 compared to PageMakers’ F‑4 Phantom.
Not that PageMaker is bad, but Indesign is far ahead in almost every area.
With regard to Quark. The above points make VERY fascinating reading. However, I also feel Quarks biggest problem is that it’s a one product company. Now I ask you, how many motor mfrs can get away with just ONE model of car?
Look at the sheer range of products Microsoft makes..Windows, Office, Works, etc.
Adobe..Indesign, Illustrator, Potoshop, Acrobat, etc.
Corel..well you get the picture.
I for one cannot see Quark esisting as a seperate enitity for too much longer. I feel they’ll go under or more likley merge with another software company.
Hi, Ian. I’m glad you found my site.
Not that PageMaker is bad, but Indesign is far ahead in almost every area.”
It is. In fact, the original creator of PageMaker, Aldus, also created (the majority of) InDesign. They began building InDesign in the mid-Nineties expressly to be the successor to PageMaker. When Aldus merged with Adobe, Adobe then finished off and released InDesign.
Interesting analogy. The answer, of course, is Ferrari, Lamborghini, and other manufacturers that make high-end, top-performance vehicles. They can get away with one-model offerings because those one models are best of breed. Quark believes QuarkXPress is a Ferrari. The users know differently.
Interesting theory. I wonder…
You may want to check out my interview with David Blatner, Mr. QuarkXPress himself. In it he discusses where he thinks Quark will be in five years, and what they must do to survive.
Okay, maybe the car anolagy may not be entirely justified. However, from what I’m reading and hearing here in Britain, Quark is in a pickle. More and more publishers, design agencies, magagines etc. are leaving Xpress and using InDesign. If this trend continues, I still think Quark will be bought. By whom…?
Microsoft. Forget it.
Adobe. Double forget it.
Corel. Would make sense if Corel did not already have Ventura.
Serif. Too small…?? Serif Xpress anyone…??
Macromedia. This makes more sense than the above propositions. Macromedia lack a DTP / Page layout app. Mind, some people use Freehand in such a fashion, when really it’s a graphics app, albeit a multi–page one.
Macromedia buying / merging with Quark makes sense also as Quark often have bundle deals wher you can order a copy of Xpress and they’ll offer a copy of Freehand for an all in price of $999. (That’ll be £999 here in UK–Bah) In effect this means Freehand for free.
The main thing against a Macromedai takeover of Quark is that Xpress is a predominantly a print publishing package. Macromedia products are mostly web orientated.
Either way, I too see trouble times for Quark.
Hey there. Stumbled on your site after going to find QXP vs ID news (as you may imagine) . For what it’s worth, I love your site. Design is immaculate.
That was indeed the best post ever, so far. I’m coming up in GD and am fortunate enough to equip myself with a computer I like to use and only the Adobe Design Collection (and now CS) but also XPress 5 (and now I have 6).
The reasons I really decided to upgrade to 6 were problems interfacing with the printer in Mac OS X Classic mode (it just wouldn’t print no matter how hard I tried), knowledge (it was the first layout program I was taught) and idealized prospective work situations, where even though ID is coming up and getting big, QXP is still large and out there…it’s useful to be biligual, as I like to quip.
But it’s not loyalty that will keep me upgrading QXP. Adobe just seems to know better what’s coming and how to meet it. It’s also cool not to have to make clipping paths.…
Also, FWIW, you might be interested to find out that the Portland Community College GD Department, formerly Quark, is in the middle of switching to InDesign. All lab computers now run ID2 (as well as the ones in the Print Publishing Technology lab) and the PowerMacs in the Computer Resource Center now run the CS apps.
Samuel:
Thank you! As you found out the hard way, though, I’m having a technical difficulty with part of the blog. The subscribe to replies feature is causing code 500 errors on occassion. Sorry about that.
Thank you again!
Absolutely. I’m frequently asked by design students and neophytes which they should learn, InDesign or Quark. I always tell them they need to know both; at this point in the industry, during this changing of the guard, a pro needs to be equally proficient in both Quark and InDesign. Otherwise, big doors close.
Interesting. Are you local to Portland?
Ian,
I agree. Quark is in trouble.
Fred Ebrahimi still holds controlling interest of Quark. I don’t see him selling it to anyone in the near future. He’s too arrogant to admit failure. In fact, I can see him shutting the doors and walking away before selling. He has wealth from other sources, so I don’t think the revenue from a sale would be sufficient motivation to set aside his ego.
They’ve been demoing QuarkXPress 7 to high-profile clients, like they did with 6 before its release. No one is talking about the features because of non-disclosure, of course. My opinion is that, if 7 doesn’t achieve feature parity with InDesign, Quark is sunk.
Pariah:
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am local. Personally located in the heavy eastside (Mall 205 area). I often say that if I could change one major thing about my life, is that I was born in Silverton, not here in Portland, but there you are.