Put Up or Shut Up

Suspiciously propagandic reader comments proclaim XPress 7.0 'will change how the publishing industry works,' but won't qualify their radical statements.

XPress 7.0 will blow Adobe’s Indesign out of the mar­ket,” exclaims Janes Mann in a com­ment to our sto­ry “Quark’s Postcards From the Edge”.

On the same sto­ry Dean Jones says: “By august this year, u guys will again be shift­ing back [from InDesign to QuarkXPress].” In clos­ing he adds, “CS2 cant even think of com­pet­ing with XPress 7.0.”

Even more bold­ly, Mann returns to pre­dict the fol­low­ing in his com­ment to our short news post about a recent Quark, Inc. sweep­stakes: “XPress 7.0 [will] change the way [the] pub­lish­ing indus­try works. After 7.0 there will be no [com­pe­ti­tion].”

Nearly word for word, this com­ment on our “Top 10 New InDesign CS2 Features” sto­ry, John Mathew echoes Mann: “I had a pre­view of pre-release XPress 7.0 & i am sure it will blow Indesign to pieces. I sup­pose XPress 7.0 will change the way [the pub­lish­ing] indus­try works.”

Bill” announces in the same thread that “[QuarkXPress] 7.0 is going to be a big bang. Start of a new era. Competition [would be] com­plete­ly erased.”

While their exu­ber­ance for the as-yet unan­nounced and unpre­viewed QuarkXPress 7.0, ten­ta­tive­ly sched­uled for release this sum­mer, unites Mann, Jones, Mathew, and Bill, they share oth­er commonalities.

First, they all have Yahoo​.com e‑mail adress­es and none appear in the Yahoo​.com mem­ber direc­to­ry. Moreover, with the excep­tion of Jones, their @yahoo.com e‑mail address­es all fit the pat­tern of so-called throw­away addresses–that is, they include some com­bi­na­tion of com­mon name and numbers.

Second, Mann, Bill, and Mathew all speak of hav­ing recent­ly seen a pre-release of QuarkXPress 7.0. All began com­ment­ing on Quark VS InDesign​.com imme­di­ate­ly fol­low­ing Adobe’s announce­ment, and our cov­er­age, of InDesign CS2; none of the above gen­tle­men have com­ment­ed on this site pri­or to that date.

Finally, and most sus­pi­cious of all, all four men have IP address­es that place them in Australia. In fact, Mathew and Mann have the exact same IP address. As does Robert Louse and some­one iden­ti­fied as Charu Chandra Tiwari, who post­ed the only pre-CS2 announce­ment com­ment, an equal­ly vague pro­mo­tion of Quark on 30 May 2004.

In response to each of these com­ments, either our own Samuel John Klein, oth­er read­ers, or I have asked for qual­i­fi­ca­tion of such bold state­ments by Mann, Bill, Mathew, and Jones. How, we have asked, will XPress 7.0 “change the way the pub­lish­ing indus­try works”? What is this “new era” com­ing this sum­mer? What fea­tures will XPress 7.0 have that will “blow InDesign to pieces” or erase the competition?

Specifically respond­ing to Jones’s pro­mo­tion of XPress 7.0’s uni­code and OpenType sup­port Klein notes: “The glimpse at the inter­face [pub­lished in X‑Ray Magazine vol. 3, no. 1] is intrigu­ing, and the promised trans­paren­cy will be a great boon to Quarkers, but lit­tle (if any) of this func­tion­al­i­ty isn’t avail­able in InDesign. So far, Quark seems to be going for fea­ture parity.”

Neither Jones nor any­one else stepped up to answer Klein’s chal­lenge or the points he goes on to raise about spe­cif­ic features.

In pri­vate cor­re­spon­dence I have received sim­i­lar state­ments from devel­op­ers of XPress xten­sions, but only from those devel­op­ers who do not also build plug-ins for InDesign or oth­er Adobe prod­ucts. Because their mes­sages were pri­vate, I shall not divulge the iden­ti­ties of the devel­op­ers, but their asser­tions of what XPress 7.0 will mean to the mar­ket or to the com­pe­ti­tion with InDesign have been large­ly iden­ti­cal to the indi­vid­u­als’ above–in some cas­es ver­ba­tim. Each of these xten­sions devel­op­ers has urged me to ensure that Quark VS InDesign​.com reports on the fact that XPress 7.0 blows away InDesign; to each I respond­ed with a promiste that Quark VS InDesign​.com will report objec­tive­ly on the fea­tures of the next release of XPress, as we have always done.

While Quark VS InDesign​.com, and I in par­tic­u­lar, have been crit­i­cal of Quark in the past, that crit­i­cism has always been direct­ed at the oper­a­tion of the com­pa­ny and spe­cif­ic state­ments made by its for­mer CEO, Fred Ebrahimi. With his replace­ment of Ebrahimi as CEO, Kamar Aulakh almost instant­ly trans­formed Quark, Inc. into a very dif­fer­ent enter­prise, with a rad­i­cal­ly friend­lier atti­tude toward cus­tomers and part­ners. With the release of XPress 6.5 and QuarkVista, cer­tain XPress fea­tures did indeed jump ahead of InDesign CS, which I stat­ed in my December 2004 review of the PSD Import Xtensions and which Klein inti­mat­ed in his January 2005 review of QuarkVista. Quark VS InDesign​.com reports objec­tive­ly on the prod­ucts and actions of both Quark and Adobe; we have no inten­tion of chang­ing that mis­sion when we see QuarkXPress 7.0.

When Quark offi­cial­ly announces XPress 7.0, Quark VS InDesign​.com will cov­er that news and report on its announced fea­ture set as we did InDesign CS2. When Quark pro­vides us with a copy of XPress 7.0 for review, we shall eval­u­ate it fair­ly in head-to-head com­par­i­son with InDesign CS2. At that time, read­ers will have our objec­tive, unbi­ased opin­ion of how the reput­ed­ly ground-breaking XPress 7.0 stacks up against its com­pe­ti­tion. Additionally, we hope Quark will fol­low the lead of its indus­try peers and pro­vide fully-functional tri­al copies of XPress 7.0 so pub­lish­ing and pro­duc­tion pro­fes­sion­als may down­load it and InDesign CS2 to com­pare for them­selves, eval­u­at­ing the func­tion and val­ue of both appli­ca­tions to spe­cif­ic workflows.

Until such time as we actu­al­ly see XPress 7.0 in action, the asser­tions of indi­vid­u­als like Mann, Jones, Bill, and Mathew amount to noth­ing more than a pro­pa­gan­da ini­tia­tive that comes dan­ger­ous­ly close to qual­i­fy­ing as com­ment spam.

To these gen­tle­men I say: Put up or shut up. Answer the ques­tions that have been posed to you, quan­ti­fy your rad­i­cal state­ments, or keep them to yourself.

To Quark, Inc., whose Denver, London, and Indian offices read Quark VS InDesign​.com dai­ly, I offer you the chance to con­vince the Quark VS InDesign​.com staff of the mer­its of XPress 7.0. We have seen InDesign CS2, and we are impressed. Now impress us with your appli­ca­tion. Show us that the rev­o­lu­tion­ary state­ments made by XPress sup­port­ers are true, and we will shout about it from the rooftops.

8 thoughts on “Put Up or Shut Up

  1. Pariah S. Burke

    UPDATE

    The sus­pi­cious com­ments con­tin­ue on this sto­ry. Someone using the same IP address and spelling and gram­mat­i­cal errors as Janes Mann, who also com­ment­ed, has writ­ten two addi­tion­al com­ments under the names Robert Louse and Lisa Collery.

  2. William

    Ever since InDesign 2 first came into pro­duc­tion there have been Quarkers loud­ly pro­claim­ing that “the next ver­sion will blow InDesign away..” I have yet to see it.

    I used Quark dai­ly for about 7 years, on both Mac and PC (though the Mac ver­sion ran best), and I dread­ed every sin­gle ses­sion. It just always seemed to be anti-intuitive and clunky. While I was no big fan of Adobe Pagemaker, I found myself using that (and Illustrator) to do the job that Quark was meant for: pro­duc­tion printing.

    To make this short, I am a self-employed design con­sul­tant now. My bud­get is tight and Quark is far too pricey for a sin­gle design­er to real­ly jus­ti­fy pur­chas­ing. Plus, InDesign just works nice­ly with all of my oth­er tools and work­flow. The Quarkers are still telling me that Quark rules and InDesign does not. But, dur­ing one recent run I pro­duced 4 full-page bul­letin lay­outs in the time it took the Quark guy to pro­duce just one… Hmmm. 

  3. Samuel John Klein

    Someone using the same IP address and spelling and gram­mat­i­cal errors as Janes Mann, who also com­ment­ed, has writ­ten two addi­tion­al com­ments under the names Robert Louse and Lisa Collery.

    Robert Louse?

    Are they draw­ing thi­er names out of a set of Scrabble tiles as well?

  4. Shannon

    Yeh and Quark 6.5 was going to make InDeisgn cry. Sounds like more of the same to me. Quark 7 may indeed be pret­ty cool, but blow InDesign to pieces? Change the way the indus­try works? I will just say I will believe it when I see it. 

  5. Sam

    Hi,

    I have been using Adobe Indesign since ver­sion 2. I must say that Adobe has a great prod­uct. However, I must admit that peo­ple at Quark are pos­si­blly now lis­ten­ing to thi­er cos­tumers. *The one the have left. Adobe is a great com­pa­ny because they do lis­ten to their cos­tumers. Quark v7 will not change any­thing, but to be hon­est it will have in impact. I am pret­ty sure they are not being stu­pid any­more they have lost a lot of peo­ple and just like any oth­er com­pa­ny they want to com­pete, even if Quark has not been com­pet­ing at all. Most of us know that Indesign is the tool that gets you were you want and how you want it. It’s just a mat­ter of time. Quark is not dead yet, but will soon be if they don’t do any­thing about it. 

    Adobe has a great buisi­ness dis­ci­pline, and is well qual­i­fied to take any­thing Quark wan­t’s to throw at it. If Quark v7 could blow Adobe Indesign CS2, I would assume that Adobe would come out with some­thing even bet­ter. Indesign is just here to stay, and stay for a long time. 

    Thanks

  6. Nancy

    I was a loy­al Quark fan since ver­sion 2 or 3 and swore I’d nev­er switch to InDesign. But, it hap­pened. We’re a small print­er and try to oper­ate all the soft­ware our cus­tomers are like­ly to use when sub­mit­ting files. We moved up to CS3 as soon as it released but hes­i­tat­ed before mov­ing up to Quark 7. I’ve received 2 CDs from Quark pro­vid­ing 30 days free upgrade but wait­ed until a Quark 7 file came into the shop to install. Yesterday was the day. The file needs to print 2 spot col­ors and the cus­tomer was unable to save down to Quark 6. Version 7 offers more fea­tures than 6 (trans­paren­cy and drop shad­ows, among oth­ers) but it was a real night­mare try­ing to force spot col­or sep­a­ra­tions when mak­ing a pdf to impose. I was real­ly dis­ap­pont­ed that Quark 7 still does­n’t show on-screen col­or seps. InDesign has had this fea­ture for years and we use it every day. Does Quark need to be remind­ed that not every job prints cmyk? I’ll buy the plug-in to con­vert Quark doc­u­ments into InDesign and allow the 30 day free tri­al ver­sion of Quark 7 to qui­et­ly expire.

  7. Doug

    I recent­ly cre­at­ed a 32 page doc­u­ment using Quark 7.1. Having used Quark’s bell and whis­tles with this ver­sion, I/printer are hav­ing the worst time try­ing to get the doc to print/separate or cre­ate a pdf. I’ve nev­er had a seri­ous issue with Quark since 1989 untill this ver­sion came out. I’m left with a lot of egg on my face with this one. Any sug­es­tions? Or is it good bye Quark, hel­lo InDesign?

  8. Mjenius

    Wow, not too long ago many print­ers cursed at the hint of PDF and spat on Indesign files, demand­ing that we turn over col­lect­ed quark files. How that has changed. Thanks the improve­ments Adobe has made in the last 3 or so years to PDF. Now, PDF is the first for­mat print­ers men­tion. Same goes for magazines.

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