Suspiciously propagandic reader comments proclaim XPress 7.0 'will change how the publishing industry works,' but won't qualify their radical statements.
“XPress 7.0 will blow Adobe’s Indesign out of the market,” exclaims Janes Mann in a comment to our story “Quark’s Postcards From the Edge”.
On the same story Dean Jones says: “By august this year, u guys will again be shifting back [from InDesign to QuarkXPress].” In closing he adds, “CS2 cant even think of competing with XPress 7.0.”
Even more boldly, Mann returns to predict the following in his comment to our short news post about a recent Quark, Inc. sweepstakes: “XPress 7.0 [will] change the way [the] publishing industry works. After 7.0 there will be no [competition].”
Nearly word for word, this comment on our “Top 10 New InDesign CS2 Features” story, John Mathew echoes Mann: “I had a preview of pre-release XPress 7.0 & i am sure it will blow Indesign to pieces. I suppose XPress 7.0 will change the way [the publishing] industry works.”
“Bill” announces in the same thread that “[QuarkXPress] 7.0 is going to be a big bang. Start of a new era. Competition [would be] completely erased.”
While their exuberance for the as-yet unannounced and unpreviewed QuarkXPress 7.0, tentatively scheduled for release this summer, unites Mann, Jones, Mathew, and Bill, they share other commonalities.
First, they all have Yahoo.com e‑mail adresses and none appear in the Yahoo.com member directory. Moreover, with the exception of Jones, their @yahoo.com e‑mail addresses all fit the pattern of so-called throwaway addresses–that is, they include some combination of common name and numbers.
Second, Mann, Bill, and Mathew all speak of having recently seen a pre-release of QuarkXPress 7.0. All began commenting on Quark VS InDesign.com immediately following Adobe’s announcement, and our coverage, of InDesign CS2; none of the above gentlemen have commented on this site prior to that date.
Finally, and most suspicious of all, all four men have IP addresses that place them in Australia. In fact, Mathew and Mann have the exact same IP address. As does Robert Louse and someone identified as Charu Chandra Tiwari, who posted the only pre-CS2 announcement comment, an equally vague promotion of Quark on 30 May 2004.
In response to each of these comments, either our own Samuel John Klein, other readers, or I have asked for qualification of such bold statements by Mann, Bill, Mathew, and Jones. How, we have asked, will XPress 7.0 “change the way the publishing industry works”? What is this “new era” coming this summer? What features will XPress 7.0 have that will “blow InDesign to pieces” or erase the competition?
Specifically responding to Jones’s promotion of XPress 7.0’s unicode and OpenType support Klein notes: “The glimpse at the interface [published in X‑Ray Magazine vol. 3, no. 1] is intriguing, and the promised transparency will be a great boon to Quarkers, but little (if any) of this functionality isn’t available in InDesign. So far, Quark seems to be going for feature parity.”
Neither Jones nor anyone else stepped up to answer Klein’s challenge or the points he goes on to raise about specific features.
In private correspondence I have received similar statements from developers of XPress xtensions, but only from those developers who do not also build plug-ins for InDesign or other Adobe products. Because their messages were private, I shall not divulge the identities of the developers, but their assertions of what XPress 7.0 will mean to the market or to the competition with InDesign have been largely identical to the individuals’ above–in some cases verbatim. Each of these xtensions developers has urged me to ensure that Quark VS InDesign.com reports on the fact that XPress 7.0 blows away InDesign; to each I responded with a promiste that Quark VS InDesign.com will report objectively on the features of the next release of XPress, as we have always done.
While Quark VS InDesign.com, and I in particular, have been critical of Quark in the past, that criticism has always been directed at the operation of the company and specific statements made by its former CEO, Fred Ebrahimi. With his replacement of Ebrahimi as CEO, Kamar Aulakh almost instantly transformed Quark, Inc. into a very different enterprise, with a radically friendlier attitude toward customers and partners. With the release of XPress 6.5 and QuarkVista, certain XPress features did indeed jump ahead of InDesign CS, which I stated in my December 2004 review of the PSD Import Xtensions and which Klein intimated in his January 2005 review of QuarkVista. Quark VS InDesign.com reports objectively on the products and actions of both Quark and Adobe; we have no intention of changing that mission when we see QuarkXPress 7.0.
When Quark officially announces XPress 7.0, Quark VS InDesign.com will cover that news and report on its announced feature set as we did InDesign CS2. When Quark provides us with a copy of XPress 7.0 for review, we shall evaluate it fairly in head-to-head comparison with InDesign CS2. At that time, readers will have our objective, unbiased opinion of how the reputedly ground-breaking XPress 7.0 stacks up against its competition. Additionally, we hope Quark will follow the lead of its industry peers and provide fully-functional trial copies of XPress 7.0 so publishing and production professionals may download it and InDesign CS2 to compare for themselves, evaluating the function and value of both applications to specific workflows.
Until such time as we actually see XPress 7.0 in action, the assertions of individuals like Mann, Jones, Bill, and Mathew amount to nothing more than a propaganda initiative that comes dangerously close to qualifying as comment spam.
To these gentlemen I say: Put up or shut up. Answer the questions that have been posed to you, quantify your radical statements, or keep them to yourself.
To Quark, Inc., whose Denver, London, and Indian offices read Quark VS InDesign.com daily, I offer you the chance to convince the Quark VS InDesign.com staff of the merits of XPress 7.0. We have seen InDesign CS2, and we are impressed. Now impress us with your application. Show us that the revolutionary statements made by XPress supporters are true, and we will shout about it from the rooftops.
UPDATE
The suspicious comments continue on this story. Someone using the same IP address and spelling and grammatical errors as Janes Mann, who also commented, has written two additional comments under the names Robert Louse and Lisa Collery.
Ever since InDesign 2 first came into production there have been Quarkers loudly proclaiming that “the next version will blow InDesign away..” I have yet to see it.
I used Quark daily for about 7 years, on both Mac and PC (though the Mac version ran best), and I dreaded every single session. It just always seemed to be anti-intuitive and clunky. While I was no big fan of Adobe Pagemaker, I found myself using that (and Illustrator) to do the job that Quark was meant for: production printing.
To make this short, I am a self-employed design consultant now. My budget is tight and Quark is far too pricey for a single designer to really justify purchasing. Plus, InDesign just works nicely with all of my other tools and workflow. The Quarkers are still telling me that Quark rules and InDesign does not. But, during one recent run I produced 4 full-page bulletin layouts in the time it took the Quark guy to produce just one… Hmmm.
Robert Louse?
Are they drawing thier names out of a set of Scrabble tiles as well?
Yeh and Quark 6.5 was going to make InDeisgn cry. Sounds like more of the same to me. Quark 7 may indeed be pretty cool, but blow InDesign to pieces? Change the way the industry works? I will just say I will believe it when I see it.
Hi,
I have been using Adobe Indesign since version 2. I must say that Adobe has a great product. However, I must admit that people at Quark are possiblly now listening to thier costumers. *The one the have left. Adobe is a great company because they do listen to their costumers. Quark v7 will not change anything, but to be honest it will have in impact. I am pretty sure they are not being stupid anymore they have lost a lot of people and just like any other company they want to compete, even if Quark has not been competing at all. Most of us know that Indesign is the tool that gets you were you want and how you want it. It’s just a matter of time. Quark is not dead yet, but will soon be if they don’t do anything about it.
Adobe has a great buisiness discipline, and is well qualified to take anything Quark want’s to throw at it. If Quark v7 could blow Adobe Indesign CS2, I would assume that Adobe would come out with something even better. Indesign is just here to stay, and stay for a long time.
Thanks
I was a loyal Quark fan since version 2 or 3 and swore I’d never switch to InDesign. But, it happened. We’re a small printer and try to operate all the software our customers are likely to use when submitting files. We moved up to CS3 as soon as it released but hesitated before moving up to Quark 7. I’ve received 2 CDs from Quark providing 30 days free upgrade but waited until a Quark 7 file came into the shop to install. Yesterday was the day. The file needs to print 2 spot colors and the customer was unable to save down to Quark 6. Version 7 offers more features than 6 (transparency and drop shadows, among others) but it was a real nightmare trying to force spot color separations when making a pdf to impose. I was really disapponted that Quark 7 still doesn’t show on-screen color seps. InDesign has had this feature for years and we use it every day. Does Quark need to be reminded that not every job prints cmyk? I’ll buy the plug-in to convert Quark documents into InDesign and allow the 30 day free trial version of Quark 7 to quietly expire.
I recently created a 32 page document using Quark 7.1. Having used Quark’s bell and whistles with this version, I/printer are having the worst time trying to get the doc to print/separate or create a pdf. I’ve never had a serious issue with Quark since 1989 untill this version came out. I’m left with a lot of egg on my face with this one. Any sugestions? Or is it good bye Quark, hello InDesign?
Wow, not too long ago many printers cursed at the hint of PDF and spat on Indesign files, demanding that we turn over collected quark files. How that has changed. Thanks the improvements Adobe has made in the last 3 or so years to PDF. Now, PDF is the first format printers mention. Same goes for magazines.